The straight grip stock, optional from 1935, was discontinued in the late 1950s. However, Winchester and his succeeding family members successfully managed Winchester Repeating Arms Company from 1866 to 1919. the shot gun is in very good condition , with a 28 in ventilated rib barrel with full choke. later on flinching became a problem with 12 gauge shooters becouse of 300 round tournaments. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. Looks to me a bit like the raised rib on a Lutjic one barrel trap gun- and the 870- well, Rudy Etchen shot a 12 gauge 870 Trap Grade he got new in 1950-I'd like to have a C-note for every clay bird, box pigeon and game bird he shattered with that old Remmie- I could move in next to Bill Gates- or maybe his gardener!! For specifics on Copyright Law and The surge of zooming pinions [wings]! Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without A smothered roar from around the corner! Has a Cutz on the end of the barrel. As good as the Brownings are, Ill just keep my Model 12s from New Haven. I found some they didn't. And you are not right about them becouse the model 12 evolved over time with improvements you didn't seem to catch becouse you are probable not a shooter. We have a During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. There are 16 pages of loads for various shell lengths, shot sizes (dust through buck, soft or chilled), five powders, five shell grades and 11 gauges. restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum. I don't believe their ever was a royalty, actually Simmons kept selling his special vent rib model 12's after the 1955 introduction of the Winchester Special Vent Rib @ New Haven. 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The 30" vent rib barrel is very good with a bright shiny bo, This Winchester Model 12 in 12 Gauge is in good condition with moderate wear to the wood surfaces and light thinning of the bluing on the barrel. Manufactured in 1962. The Model 12 Duck Gun is a highly specialized tool for hunters who need to put a lot of shot on target at 60 yards or more. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. The era of plentiful ducks and liberal bag limits was also ending. I read your posts; you do love the Model 12, been there done that. My favorite 2 pins were Trap Guns made between 1957-1959 including special order Pigeon grades; fit, finish and blueing was best in those later years. I have read the 3 different books I have on model 12's from cover to cover many times. Lay-a-way available for t, Excellent overall condition sporting original finishes. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). I don't believe it has been fired. community. . Winchester Model 12 16Ga Pump Shotgun 28" Excellent condition Made in 1939 Gun #: 903285649 Seller: JerArms GA Sales: 60 $872.00 Full Details More from this Seller 1 Image (s) Winston Churchill custom Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 20 gauge, gold relief, staggering wood, provenan. I have a donut post trap gun but not a pigeon, had two 3 inch guns, one had donut post the other had a round post. Winchester symbol # G1285S. My wife shot her share of ducks with a 20-gauge autoloader bored Improved Cylinder shooting one ounce of #7 1/2-shot. 2023 Rock Island Auction Company. Winchester undertook preparations for improvements in its firearms line following World War II. Bore and action are excellent. Pandemonium! It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder. The Olins were businessmen first and duck hunters second. Madis states Ventilated ribs were rarely offered on [duck] guns. However, The fact is a few duck guns were provided with these ribs. Dave Riffles book and the various catalogs I have indicate that the Winchester new ventilated rib was an option from about 1954 to 1959. There was no need to shoot ducks at 60 yards. No Reserve. As you know that, Winchester Model 12 (factory original) 28-gauge pump action shotgun. the store. Featherweight: same as above; lightweight alloy trigger guard. View cart for details. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. winchester model 12 description: for sale is a very nice vintage winchester model 12, 12ga ga shotgun. When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. Only rib extensions of the same width as the factory ventilate drib are found on receivers of duck guns. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. The load averaged 67.5% (range 62-72.5%), in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. Emphasis was placed on loads of #4 shot because of its historical significance in waterfowl hunting and association with the long-range objectives of the Model 12 duck gun. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. The Model 12 was the first magazine repeater chambered for 3-inch magnum shells. Thereafter, a staggering number of variations were produced during the 1912-1980 period. only one I have ever seen unless TS member owns one? When it was. Since you in Kansas; ever deal with now deceased Felix Bedlan @ Fairbury, Neb. Made in 1928, 12 Gauge, 28"" barrel. However, killing ducks at long range remained the objective of many duck hunters. Model 12, What is it? | Winchester Shotguns | Forum | Winchester Yes the 2-pin milled rib was costly to manufacture. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? Pictures are of the item listed. PDF March 31, 2023 GUN LOT LIST Page #1 - rgilliganauctions.com This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! A 2pin vent rib lets the shooter sight under the bird and keep the bird in sight. The price $379 does not seem out of line for model 12's in this area; however, my question is does the Simmons rib add or detract from the value of the gun? Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. But it would be my guess that the wood has been refinished and the gun has been reblued. Along in the 1920s a few bold souls had long-chambered [3-inch], overbored, long-barreled, and heavy, long range 12-gauge Magnum double guns built. The Winchester Model 12: A Look Back - An Official Journal Of The NRA The slide lock is automatically released by the forward nudge of recoil in the Model 12. If it's a 12 gauge, replacement factory butt stocks can be hard to come by. It was an immediate success. Model 12 was offered in several different styles: 1. *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! MAKE OFFER. Buy 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 974012213. Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that. The Duck Stamp Law of 1934 was enacted to provide funds for waterfowl propagation. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. Modified choke. First of all was the end of management by people who were not familiar or sympathetic with the gun and ammunition business. The Olins were avid duck hunters. The barrels and receivers of Model 12 duck guns are made from Winchester Proof Steel. This steel was first used in the Model 21 double introduced in 1931. Both guns were disassembled, cleaned and lightly oiled before testing. You jack the shell out and it goes off under your nose. Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing Sto, Used Winchester 12 20 Gauge, Pump-Action Shotgun, 25" Barrel Wood Stock, No Box. THE VENTILATED RIB IS BY SIMMONS GIN, 16ga, Full Choke, 26" barrel with a bright and shiny bore. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Not sure how many of you know this, but the rib has a serial number stamped on the underside of them with the same number stamped on the underside of the barrel. BARREL 30" CHOKE FULL 90% FACTORY BLUE ORIGINAL FACTORY HEAVY DUCK RECOIL PAD WOOD VERY GOOD. At a reasenable Price, you can have that gun you allways wanted without all this drama. Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. Stay in the know. Very good condition overall. This Model 12 has Serial Number 1391884 was produced in 1953. Some patterns of #4 shot might let a duck escape if it were caught just inside the margin of the 30-inch circle. The steel has a nice patina and the stock has most of the lacquer worn off. Askins rule of thumb of 70 years ago still pertains with modern lead-shot ammunition. rifle w/ Jaeger Quick Detachable scope mount 3 Remington mod. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Both guns have 30-inch Full choke barrels inscribed FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER-X 3 IN. The bores are bright with no pitting. Some will even go 85% to 90%, but rarely. Keith, who obtained Askins Ithaca 10 magnum double upon Askins death, achieved 93% patterns with two ounces of copper-plated#3 shot in the big double. All Rights Reserved, Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre 64 Rare 12 Ga. Magnum 3" Edition Proof Marking. The price in 1963 was $122 compared to $109.50 for the standard Model 12. The Olins used the Western ammunition plant at East Alton, Illinois, as collateral for borrowing about four million in cash, no small feat in the fall of 1931. Optional dimensions for straight or pistol grip stocks, grip caps, front sights and recoil pads were also among early options. A milled rib Model 12 is a milled rib Model 12, but the terminology is used a bit loosely. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. Built from 1912 to 1963. Johnson designed the Models 52 and 61 rimfire rifles and the Model 54 centerfire rifle. It still is. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. Manufactured in 1959. No Reserve . Like new with a mark on the top of th, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" barrels, solid rib, 3" mag. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. See pi, Winchester Model 12, 28 gauge SKEET pump action shotgun, circa 1955. It is the skeet style of stock with a comb drop of 1 1/2 2 1/2 inches, and a 14-inch length, butt to trigger. $899.97. Winchester Model 12 16 ga NIB Never Assembled! The earliest gun they found with a 2-pin rib has a serial number of 2037xx with a date of June 30th, 1919. or Rudy Dozenrod out of Wyndemere, S.D. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. He did note, however, that the rib first appeared at about serial number 240,000. I hope this helps you out A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 New and Used Price, Value, & Trends 2023 Auction Date: December 7, 2019 Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 13,000 Price Realized: Details Exceptional and Documented Smoothbore Winchester Model 61 Slide Action "Rifle" with Simmons Vent Rib and Box Manufacturer: Winchester Model: 61 Type: Shotgun Gauge: 22 LR Shot Barrel: 24 inch vent rib Finish: blue Grip: Stock: walnut Item Views: 1599 The drop at heel was reduced from 2-1/2 to 2-3/8 inches in December 1938. Deluxe checkered walnut, Its new in the original box with associate paperwork in wrapping paper.. has mi, Metal surfaces rate very good, handling marks to wood. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. The new 1935-style buttstock featured a closer and fuller pistol grip. Edwin Pugsley, in charge of Winchester at the time of receivership, is quoted in Williamsons book: The purchase of the company by the Olin interests brought a breath of life to the institution and brought to Winchester many things. The stock has a hard-rubber plate and a real, full pistol grip carved close to the guard. The magnitude of this sale is appreciated when you realize how few of the special 10- and 12-gauge magnum double guns were sold. The survival of both Western and Winchester now depended on Olin management. Generally, a Simmons rib gun will bring a higher price than a plain barrel gun, and a lower price than a solid rib or Winchester vent rib gun, all other factors being equal. 4 chilled shot.. This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. Riffle's excellent reference book on the Model 12 notes the 1919 patent date for the two-pin rib, but suggests that the rib was not on the market until 1920. Winchester Model 12 12 GA For Sale - GunAuction.com Very fine as professionally custom finished, showing 95% of the refurbished blue, with scattered rust spotting and handling marks. Skeet gun marked "2 7/8" chamber skeet 28 gauge. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. His shotguns were undoubtedly the best long-range duck guns he found in extensive testing. This gun is in excellent condition and has very desireable solid rib barrel with full choke. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. WARNING! Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. I hunker down and blaze away. Guns.com's selection won't leave you feeling unprepared. MAKE OFFER. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked modified, and 14" LOP. This gun has been single family owned since bought used in 1967. However, the gun for which Johnson is best remembered is his Model 12 pump-action shotgun, The Perfect Repeater.. The era of the double gun was ending as World War II approached. Model 42s with donut post ribs, no Simmons markings, proof marks in the right places, in the proper serial number range, are considered to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. It is at my engraver now. Total production reached two million. Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. The Model 12 2 pin rib has always been "KING" but don't turn you nose up @ a Dounut Post model 12 as production in Trap & Skeet model only lasted from late 1955 to 1956 then round post was alternate rib to the 2 pin. I worked in two gun shops when I was in college. bolt act. A Cold War era classic with smooth lines, a legendary back story, and an exotic-sounding name, Beretta's Model 71 was definitely a mouse that roared. The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. 2. THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. Just to add th the issue, here's a note that I copied from Trapshooters.com some time age. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. The committee appointed to study the requirements for continuing business reported a successful reorganization would require the raising of a substantial amount of new capital. That capital was supplied by the Olin family of Olin Industries, owners of Western Cartridge Company. I rebuilt all of the trigger assemble with all new parts just reusing the guard. In reading Stadt's statements on page 109 of the latest version of this book, I don't see where he is too sure of his statements. A new chamber ring and a # 1 heavy draw adjusting sleeve. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. The 3-inch shell was chambered originally in the famous Super Fox long-range double. The balance point is the takedown joint. 80 of 1916 indicates seven empty 12-gauge paper shell lengths (2-1/2 to 3-1/4 inches). The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. As far as early 2 pins, remember there were a few made as early as 1919, standard and "graded" model 12's (ie) "Black Diamaonds" they had the longer checkered forearm. And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. Winchester Model 12 Shotguns For Sale - GunAuction.com
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